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Rolling out the odds on rolling up the rim

By KARENA WALTER
Local News - Saturday, March 18, 2006 @ 01:00

There are pie charts, line graphs and Excel programs on the Internet detailing people’s coffee purchases like a company’s strategy report.

Some people take Roll Up the Rim very seriously.

But if you want to increase your chances of winning a truck, buy a medium and don’t overdo it with the orders.

“It’s like going to the casino. The more you gamble, you’re increasing the chances of winning. But at the same time, you’ll be losing much more money much faster,” says John Yuen, a statistics professor at Brock University.

Yuen has used Roll Up the Rim to demonstrate probability concepts in his statistics class.

Across the country, the Tim Hortons contest has spawned a whole new pastime of tracking coffee consumption and crunching numbers. Embraced and griped about, customers’ wins and losses are popular discussions on blogs across the country. People know how many cups they’ve purchased and how many rims have invited them to “please play again.”

Like “Lindsey” on niagaramoms.com, who admits doubling her coffee and smoothie intake during the contest to increase her winnings. “And the only thing I have won, you ask? A freakin’ donut,” she posted.

Outside the downtown St.
Catharines Tim Hortons Thursday, tea drinkers Jackie Vanderbeek and Melissa Adshead mused they hadn’t won yet as they took an order back to Telespectrum, the call centre where they work.

“I had at least 30 since the Roll Up the Rim has been going. Nothing,” said Adshead, who always chooses large twice a day. “We don’t know of any winners. It gets around up there so if anyone got anything good, we’d know.”

Others are forgoing word of mouth and turning to sophisticated tracking methods.

“I have decided to keep a spreadsheet for the length of the contest to see if I am lucky, unlucky or average,” writes “rekounas” on one website.

So can buying a certain size coffee increase your chances for winning? Or is that just another urban legend like the one a few years back about the print colour on winning cups being slightly lighter?

Yuen said you can add up numbers provided on the Tim Hortons website to try to increase your chances.

Although the company is giving away 30 trucks, eight are in western and southern Ontario. Of those eight, four are in large cups, three in medium and one in an extra-large.

“Definitely, the medium is the one you should go for,” Yuen said. That’s because even though there is one more winning large cup, there are almost 20 million more large cups in circulation.

Your chance of winning with a medium cup is one in 9.28 million in this area. With large, the chance is one in 11.75 million and your worst chances are with the extra large, at one in 15.95 million.

But Yuen cautions people not to over-drink. Customers obtain a certain overall discount from their purchases when they win something. If you buy 100 coffees and win four doughnuts, you can subtract the doughnut prices from the coffees to find out your percentage discount. But if you buy a lot more coffee than normal, you are spending money unnecessarily, he said.

And no one should expect a discount will ever materialize if they buy a certain number of cups.

“Questions like that can be answered in a probability sense,” Yuen said “But they are all probability questions because you never know until you actually go buy those coffees.”

Alex Wiebe, a software developer in Winnipeg, has taken a unique yet complex approach to the contest. He’s comparing his Roll Up the Rim wins with the Super-7 lottery and the stock market to see where the best chances are. He randomly picks a stock each day and invests a fictitious $1 in it and sees how well his portfolio does.

“So far I’m doing better with the Super-7 lottery than with the Tim Hortons coffee and as expected, the stocks are at least holding their value,” he told The Standard by e-mail. “Regardless of my current winning/losing streak though, each cup still only has a one in nine chance of winning anything, the lottery is one in seven and the stocks don’t matter because it is not real money. But I’m having fun.”

Tim Hortons spokesman Greg Skinner said he doesn’t have an insider’s secret for winning a prize. Cups are distributed by region, but they don’t know which stores will win, he said. Two trucks have been won in Ontario so far, but Skinner hasn’t been told from which contest area or which size cups they were because winners pull their rims off.

“I think it’s just so popular and people love playing. There’s no magic secret,” he said. “It’s all totally random.”

Skinner said the contest has a 90 per cent redemption rate in the grand prizes, so most people are rolling their rims and collecting on them.

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